but i think technology combined with a great education system and government and business really working together and i think this is what we're missing around the world, a model like as what occurred in the uk or canada or russia might be something we can learn from, but i believe it's the u.s. leads us out. >> wait. follow up on that. you say government business cooperation is what we need. the kind we have in the united kingdom, in canada, and even russia, you find it easier to deal with putin's russia than the united states? >> you are a pro at this and so no matter which way i answer this, i'm in trouble. to that point, each of those leaders understand technology creates jobs. each of those leaders know if you're an extraction leader live russia, you've got to create stability, keep your young people at home. create new jobs, et cetera, and they're willing to work closely in public, private partnerships to create this. >> so how badly did we do in the u.s.? when you can contrast your dealings in washington with your dealings in london, canada, russia, what's your conclusion? >> i th